During Obama’s health care speech to congress he was told that what he said was a lie; that he was a liar when he said that Illegal Aliens would not be covered by his health care plan. Although the congressman was right, I found it very inappropriate to call the President a liar while he was making an address to the congress and the people.
But the fact of the matter is that he is either lying about illegals not getting health insurance, or he is lying about there being 46 million Americans who need health insurance, because of that 46 million, 8 to 10 million of them are illegal aliens. So which is it Mr. President? Which one is a lie?
jbranstetter04
Health Care Reform Bills Would Not Verify Citizenship Status of Beneficiaries
The health care reform bills Congress is considering would not require people who sign up for government health care programs to verify their eligibility. That opens the door for millions of illegal aliens and other non-citizens to receive medical services paid for by taxpayers, a panel of experts from the conservative Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and The Heritage Foundation said Wednesday.
This takes an unprecedented step in opening up the U.S. welfare system to illegal immigrants, Robert Rector, senior fellow on domestic policy at The Heritage Foundation, told an audience at the National Press Club in Washington.
We have had a system of identity checks that largely prevents adult illegal immigrants from getting onto these means-tested welfare programs, Rector added.
Title II, Subtitle C, Section 246 of the House health care bill (H.R. 3200) stipulates no federal payment for undocumented aliens. The Senate bill states that beneficiaries of federal health care programs must be a citizen or national or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States.
But neither bill has a provision for verifying citizenship status, according to these experts.
Rector said people signing up for government-run health care programs would not have to substantiate that they are in this country legally. The health care reform legislation turns that on its back and tramples it into the dust, Rector said. It basically says, We will not verify, we will not check, we have a complete open door for every illegal immigrant, current and in the future, to simply enroll and receive benefits under this program.
They make it easy to enroll new people in government-run health programs with what amounts to built-in willful ignorance about characteristics which would be disqualifying, such as being here on a temporary VISA or being under ones sponsorship requirements, or being here illegally, Edwards added.
Citizen verification amendments defeated
Edwards said two amendments proposed in the House to require verification of citizenship and other qualifications were voted down and that Senate legislation also lacks any kind of verification provision.
Congressman Dean Heller (R-Nev.) offered an amendment in the Ways and Means Committee to correct that, but it was defeated along party lines, Edwards said. Senate legislation omits the same eligibility verification requirements that would ensure that only lawful immigrants and U.S. citizens benefit under these programs.”
Edwards noted that during the House Energy and Commerce Committees markup, Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) offered an amendment that would require a check on immigration and citizenship status of those being signed up for Medicaid. It would apply the same verification standards and use the same existing verification system thats in the Medicaid statute. This taxpayer protection amendment lost on a largely party line vote, by a single vote, Edwards said.
Aliens exempt from fines
The Senate Finance Committee has released only an outline of its health care plan — not a full draft — and that outline penalizes U.S. citizens and legal residents while allowing illegal aliens access to free health care, Edwards said.
The Finance Committee outline, like the HELP and the House bills, mandates that individuals must carry health insurance or else face a fine, Edwards said. The Finance outline says that illegal aliens will be exempt from that individual mandate. It sets up a system where youve got Americans and legal immigrants who have to have coverage or else pay a fine, Edwards said. But illegal aliens would escape the mandate and any fine for not being insured.
It appears that this sets up for illegal aliens to be free riders of sorts, Edwards said. They still receive taxpayer-funded medical services at health clinics and hospitals required to serve those (with) a medical emergency. Yet illegal aliens would be free from any responsibility or sanction that other people would bear.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52765
Ron Clark Academy students write a song their take on health care reform to the tune of Miley Cyrus’ ‘Party in the U.S.A.’ on CNN.
Lyrics:
Got paged in the morning at 5am
Time to go into work again.
Welcome to the world of medicine,
Whoa, here we go again.
The hospital’s packed with people in a long line
Agitated cause we’ve waited for a long time.
This is all so crazy, too many missing coverage lately
My tummy’s turning and I’m feeling kinda sickly
My hip’s bad and I feel weak
And the prices are always raising up.
Conservatives and liberals say
To reform healthcare today
But they can’t seem to find a way.
So we throw our hands up for healthcare reform
Make your choice today.
Private and public care
Will a marketplace treat us fair?
So we throw our hands up for healthcare reform
Make your choice today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s a problem in the USA.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s a problem in the USA.
Obama says everyone needs
Health coverage in America now.
We need to insure those 47 million
But the government doesn’t know how.
Deductibles getting higher every day
I got my bill and I’m thinking NO way.
And what about my brother?
He’s hurt and can’t get covered.
My tummy’s turning and I’m feeling kinda worried
Capricious coverage is killing me.
That’s when a doctor said, “You’ll have to go.”
Bipartisan support was tried so we wouldn’t be denied
But Joe Wilson yelled, “You lie!”
So we throw our hands up for healthcare reform
Make your choice today.
Private and public care
Will a marketplace treat us fair?
So we throw our hands up for healthcare reform
Make your choice today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s a problem in the USA.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s a problem in the USA.
The first link is a story about how CBS forced McCain to pull his ad down because they were misleadingly using Katie Couric’s statement.
OH SNAP!!!
The second link is Huckabee saying it was just a phrase and he felt Obama meant nothing by it… the third is a link to John McCain using the phrase YET AGAIN himself!
He has become a little absent-minded. Please forgive him.
John McCain surely forgets a lot. I think he’s getting quite old now. And of course when that happens you start to forget things. You know.
I guess he was FOR using the ‘lipstick on a pig’ phrase BEFORE he was AGAINST it – when using it on Hillary’s plan for healthcare.
If there is anything that is evidence that John McCain is JUST PLAIN LYING about working constructively across the aisle, this in fact is it. He is criticizing in a personal way, directly, Hillary Clinton’s attempt to put together a health care plan for Americans.
I guess he was FOR attacking others with good ideas BEFORE he was AGAINST it too.
John McCain & Sarah Palin. They say whatever comes into their heads (which is obviously not much.
President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which hes pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.
We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors, the president said.
At another point he said: Well, first of all, another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?
The problem?
The AARP hasn’t endorsed any plan yet.
The country’s largest advocacy group for Americans over 50 issued a statement after the event saying, “While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate.”
Brits, tired of having their beloved healthcare system slammed by Republicans in the United States answer back to the false accusations and misinformation about their system. One British woman fighting to reform England’s NHS, who was used in Republican ads to criticize “Socialized medicine” says she was “duped” into being “used” in U.S. ads condemning the British healthcare system (which she supports).
President Obama said this week that his health care plan won’t cover illegal immigrants, but argued that’s all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.
He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered – a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.
“Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don’t simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken,” Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. “That’s why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.
Mr. Obama added, “If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all.”
Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.
The GOP propaganda machine is in full spin as operatives and hot talk stations spread lies and hysteria about items said to be found in the current House bill language of the American Affordable Health Care Act.
Talk of genocide on both ends of the life cycle are paraded down the street in a grotesque death march of wing nuts eager to drink any Kool-Aid and any lie to sabotage discussion about actual substance. Scare tactics included outrage over mandated funding for abortions and assisted suicide for those over 65.
Per a recent Kaiser Family Foundation analysis, the abortion coverage was modified significantly in committee. The Energy and Commerce Committee amendment: Prohibits abortion coverage from being required as part of the essential benefits package; and requires segregation of public subsidy funds from private premium payments for plans that choose to cover abortion services beyond Hyde—which allows coverage for abortion services to save the life of the woman and in cases of rape or incest; and require there be no effect on state or federal laws on abortions. See also the Guttmacher Report of July 22, 2009, that discusses these restrictions in the context of the insurance industry.
The genocide mandate is a considered a wild distortion of the House Bill. All manner of documentation to the contrary, Republicans try to paint a provision for suggested elderly medical counseling every five years as some Soylent Green scenario where seniors are meekly led to assisted suicide chambers.
Snopes, Media Matters, and AARP try to dispel these distorions originally forwarded by wing nut Betsy McCaughey.
Despite the facts, these same talking points of abortion funding and killing Grandpa were rebroadcast all day Friday by the vast right wing echo chamber, including Rush Limbaugh, and by the sick freak, Glenn Beck. //// The blatant and not-so blatant sabotage that’s happening in our country today regarding health care reform is nothing short of criminal. People’s lives are actually at stake and once again, people’s ignorance and lack of education and being informed is about to do us all in… The greed from our health insurance companies shouldn’t be surprising, if you’re paying attention, but it’s still astounding to me. /////////// Obama attacked “bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost,” addressing the so-called “death panels” and that reforms would insure illegal immigrants.
“And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up — under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place,” he said.
The president said he would no longer stand for allowing gross misrepresentations to continue.
“I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it’s better politics to kill this plan than improve it,” Obama said. “I will not stand by while the special interests use the same old tactics to keep things exactly the way they are. If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out. And I will not accept the status quo as a solution. Not this time. Not now.”
Obama said his plan isn’t intended to put insurance companies out of business, but a not-for-profit option would “keep insurance companies honest” by providing competition.
The public option is a government-funded, government-run health care option, similar to Medicare. Under the plan, people would pay premiums 10 percent to 20 percent less than private insurance.
That leaves the door open for Congress to come up with another option, such as a co-op or a “trigger,” in which a public option would kick in only if insurance companies fail to make reforms within a defined period.
Obama argued that a public plan wouldn’t create unfair competition for insurers because it would rely on premiums it collects rather than public funding, but would save money by avoiding overhead like administrative costs and executive salaries.
And he said his plan won’t add to the deficit because it includes a provision that requires the government to cut spending if health care savings the admnistration promises don’t materializes.
Obama also addressed seniors who have expressed concerns about the quality of care they have enjoyed being eroded by health care reform, which he said has been “subjected to demagoguery and distortion.”
“The only thing this plan would eliminate is the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud, as well as unwarranted subsidies in Medicare that go to insurance companies — subsidies that do everything to pad their profits and nothing to improve your care,” he said.
“But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.” Obama
During Obama’s health care speech to congress he was told that what he said was a lie; that he was a liar when he said that Illegal Aliens would not be covered by his health care plan. Although the congressman was right, I found it very inappropriate to call the President a liar while he was making an address to the congress and the people.
Ron Clark Academy students write a song their take on health care reform to the tune of Miley Cyrus’ ‘Party in the U.S.A.’ on CNN.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/CBS_takes_down_McCain_webad_suggests_its_misleading.html?showall
President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which hes pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.
Brits, tired of having their beloved healthcare system slammed by Republicans in the United States answer back to the false accusations and misinformation about their system. One British woman fighting to reform England’s NHS, who was used in Republican ads to criticize “Socialized medicine” says she was “duped” into being “used” in U.S. ads condemning the British healthcare system (which she supports).
President Obama said this week that his health care plan won’t cover illegal immigrants, but argued that’s all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.
The GOP propaganda machine is in full spin as operatives and hot talk stations spread lies and hysteria about items said to be found in the current House bill language of the American Affordable Health Care Act.
I didnt put this video together. I found it at nakedemperornews.com. Great site that exposes many political lies.
I’m a former Obama supporter. I’m just totally fed up with reversal after reversal and lie after lie from President Obama on health care.
“But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.” Obama